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Alohabula1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1494 03/22/09 03:06:14 Ratu	Bottom line -if FB's motive for taking over the government was for the security of the nation, THEN it follows that he MUST squelch this kind of behavior in the bud and catch the perpetrators. Given that scenario, it is not that easy to catch whoever is doing this, its not like they leave a lot of evidence in their little cowardly drive bys, but FB and the Police had better make a concerted effort to try if they want to keep up any kind of appearances and do their job of securing the nation.
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real jack	they have done nothing to catch them Aloha	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6897 03/22/09 12:44:33	they had eyewitness information on the people who stoned Attar Singh's house - they even had people giving them information on the vehicle car number and its make and model and its colour - that was the vehicle that was used as the getaway car. Teleni is talking about his belief in God and Jesus and all the rest of it - well God is not a partial God. and Jesus is not a partial Jesus. if Teleni really believes in Jesus he will leave open the file on Jo Bugner to proceed to investigations and charges - they know the Policemen know ere involved in his death - he is a civilian and he had nothing to do with any millitancy - and so why hasn't his file been allowed to go ahead with its investigations and concluded - what is so difficult about closing the investigations on Baleiloa's file and start the prosecutions - did the Holy Spirit say to stop the investigations ? did Jesus say to cover it up ? same as this - six stonings are now grduated to two fire bombings ? so what did the Holy Spirit say about this ? don't investigate it ? God is a God of Justice and fairness - he is not partial nor does he like coverups. his Holy Spirit teaches that we need clean hands. thats what Jesus taught. at least thats the one i worship. all they had to do after that is go to the LTA and get a match on all vehicles of that model using the FE registration number - from there it gets very simple for them to pinpoint which vehicle was used, its owners details and whether it was stolen or reported stolen at the time of that thing happening. if they get the vehicle they should be able to do a full examination on it. but the Police haven't been able to do that simple thing - its now almost one and a half weeks since Attar Singh's place was stoned and where are the Police inquiries at now ? have they identified the vehicle ? have they even matched the owner details - that is a lead they should have got on immediately while it was hot - and they haven't - the question is why ? Raivoce saw the people who bombed his house - have they got a Police artist to sketch the persons identification and put it out on TV ? the security guard at Rika's house saw the two guys who attacked Rika's house - but have they done the sketches and gotten out images of these people and put it on TV to get information from the public ? they saw the clothes these people were wearing, the caps, their height, they would be able to get a good description of these men and put it out on TV and in the newspapers - but they haven't and the question is why ? these guys are sloppy - they are wearing clothes which they probably wore from home - people would have seen them in those clothes either from their home or as the moved in public - describing the clothes itself is enough to get information on likely leads - guy wearing a cap, three quarter denim jeans and T shirt - what kind of cap, what colour ? what description on the can and Yankee's cap ? a Coke cap ? what kind of cap ? what kind of T shirt - a Digicel T shirt what ? was he wearing flip flops, canvas, shoes ? boots ? what colour ? how tall is the guy ? colour of skin ? distingushing characteritics. put it out on the newspapers and TV. why hasn't this been done ? why not ? when guys do robberies in the middle of the night they are caught within a week or two weeks - and these are professional thieves who cover their tracks and bury their loot. but here you have guys identified doing the stoning, guys seen by the victimes - and still the Police say they have "no information". when Aiyaz's house was robbed they put a security checkpoint in fron of it and placed Policemen on guard. the response was immediate. the only conclusion that any reasonable person can infer from observing these series of events is that all these stonings and bombings are organised by the millitary and the regime and the Police will not catch anyone because it is a cover up - they certainly haven't condemned it. these things have happened in other places - its not new - its called state sponsored terrorism. Last Edited By: real jack 03/22/09 13:14:37. Edited 10 times.
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Alohabula1		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1495 03/23/09 02:07:30 Ratu	Well then they are playing a very dangerous game. It is debatable whether FB would ultimately be held responsible, but I tend to agree with you given some of historical basis of other incidences. That being said, it is still a semi-gray area where FB could be culpable and I seriously doubt he wants to get wrangled into this mess. SO that gives him two options, since he appointed these people, is either fire them or have them do their job. If he fires them, then I suspect it will be the old Fiji fade out and if what you suspect is true, which holds some logic, they can't possibly let it continue on any level and only hope for it to do the Fiji fade out which then makes it incumbent upon the victims to continue pursuing it . Given the past and present performance of the police department my vote still remains with they need to get their act together. I am not sure whether it is incompetence, nepotism or lack of techniques and techinal support or a combination of all three of these that brands them with the name that comes out of every locals mouth and something all the ethnic groups agree upon which is and I quote, "the police are hopeless" The only reason that anyone wastes their 12 cents on a phone call to them is simply to follow procedure, but never with the hope that they will actually do something about it and that is a sad but true fact. I am a great believer in God, but what the present police department overlooks is God helps those that help themselves and I would like to believe helps those that help others even more, so if the police department is going with Gods plan, well that is the plan and that is their job to serve and protect, so get on with it.
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real jack	its not a dangerous game, its a stupid game Aloha	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6903 03/23/09 03:09:25	everywhere in the world where the security agencies allow and encourage these things to take root, those societies end up in a mess - in Pakistan they have these problems today becuase 50 years ago Jinnah and the Pakistani security agencies allowed these things to grow - the Pakistani army engaged in training and providing support and even providing black units to engage in these activities - and today look where that has taken their society. in Israel, the same thing has happened - the Israeli's funded and supplied and trained HAMAS as a counterweight to the PLO back in the 80's and look where that has taken them today in Israel - the can't get stability. in Latin America the yanks supplied armed and funded the militia movements on that subcontinent in the late 70's and early 80's even setting up the School of the America's - and look where that has taken them now - the guys they trained in the 70's and 80's have now taken those skills and joined drug cartels who are now causing havoc alonf the southern United States and Mexico and flooding American streets with Cocaine. this kind of activity never ends well - and it does nothing to enhance the stability or longtern viabilitry and sustainability of a society. its stupid. there is no fade out on this kind of thing - kids watching it learn that you can do it and get away with it - and the next generation growing up after this will know that it was done in 2009 - that violence takes on its own momentum - the generation after the 1987 coup d'etat took violence to a new level - overnight you had home invasions, bank robberies, armed heists and all the rest of it - thats after 1987. this thing introduces a new dimension - engaging contract hitmen to do things like attacking opponenets and their families - assasinations and the rest of it. this is probably the kind of society the RFMF REALLY wants Fiji to develop into - not the fancy words in the NCBBF brochures and the People's Charter - but something akin to firebombings opponents houses, kidnapping people, detentions, and murder - kidnapping of civilians and their murders sanctioned by the State - stoning of their houses and firebombing of their residences - threats, intimidation and killings - state sanctioned terrorism. actions speak louder then words - and the inaction of the RFMF in condemning these activities says a lot for where they stand on the issue. as for Teleni and his crusades about him and God - well thats between him and God - but its not new throughout history gusy have come and gone and paraded around just like Teleni. the Pharisees paraded around talking about themselves and God back in the day - they had their magnificent festivals - and they went to the Temple and covered up the extortions and murders that Herod was doing out of Jerusalem - hell they even called Herod the annointed one - and they loved their Temple and all the rest of it - Herod paraded himself around as the King of the Jews and "Gods annointed" -according to him God spoke to him too - so God probably told him to organise and order the murder of his own wife and his two sons, i suppose - just like that Queen Jezebel and her stupid Husband Ahab - and then he covered it up (just like the idiot Ahab did too !) - and every Sabbat Herod was around at the Temple (he couldn't enter it because he wasn't a full Jew - he was a Jew by default) - but looking over from his specially built balcony he could looks towards the worship going on below him and bask in the adulation of the Hebrew nation at the beutiful temple he built - just like Ceasar, eh ? nothing new. Jesus said it - you shall know them by their fruits. those who are mine, and those who are not mine - not by their words, but by their deeds. Last Edited By: real jack 03/23/09 03:43:21. Edited 1 time.
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gdevreal	Talking religion does no good	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2594 03/23/09 14:12:55	What you have is a bunch of dumb azz goons bullying Fiji. The solution is kick them out, or just go and form a real government and ignore them. PM Qarase should run the government out of his home, or perhaps at the tradewinds and ignore these other fakers. Call in Moe Driver to do something with the police and bring the SDL or any other legal ministers of the past out of retirement. Send Voreqe, Teleni, Ganilau, Chaudhry and the rest of the coupsters to North Korea or India here they can be promoted to junglee and dalits.
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