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Rig the elections is the norm.
Impose a voting system on the People.
Whats the matter Jack, you couldn't live up to your vow to uphold the constitution? You don't understand the role of a Constitution? Do you uphold commitments to anything in life?
First you were going to accept gross conflict of interest by changing the electoral system, voting in whoever, and then having them bless the system which voted them in. Are you too stupid to see the conflict of interest in that? Pathetic. And you call yourself a professional? You sound more like a 3 year old.
Well it does not matter much what your clowns do. I reckon People will just watch with amusement as they waste taxpayer funds doing a charade about a phony election. In the end, the People will take Fiji back and anything they don't like will be reversed. It is just such a horrible waste of time and resources that Fiji can ill afford.
By the way, who appointed Voreqe to play God with the People?

Reforms come from the People, Jack, not demented military leaders. I would imagine Mugabe called his bullshyt "reforms" too. Who asked for it? Who gave that azzhole in uniform a mandate to change anything in Fiji?

99.5% of the guns.

I have read the court declaration and do not find anything that would allow retrospective approval of legislation, particularly legislation promulgated after the date of the court case, which is what you are claiming. The declaration is numbered so I would respectfully request then you make claims about this verdict, you quote the paragraph number you refer to.

I must say that either your knowledge of the law is very sketchy, or you are a hopeless BS artist. I do offer you a chance to redeem yourself by quoting the appropriate paragraph numbers.

You point about not appointing or appointing a PM is silly, to silly to respond to.

Did it ever occur to you that the People should claim back Fiji now and make their own reforms, rather than leaving it to an unelected few criminals who have decided to play God? Why in the world should anyone make reforms for the People when they are completely capable of making them for themselves?

can be legalized, particularly those which conflict with the Constitution. I officially label you a bullshyt artist.

Consider this:

"with certain limitations, namely, so far as they are directed to, and are resonably required for the orderly running of the State; so far as they do not impair the the rights of citizens under the lawful Constitution; and so far as they are not intended to, and do not in fact directly help the usurption."

I don't see how this can possibly be interpreted as applying to long term reforms inconsistent with the Constitution, such as are proposed in the samycharter. The reform proposals do, in fact directly help the usurpation. They are inconsistent with the Constitution and therefore cause a delay which is extends the period of usurpation by the illegal junta.

Jack, you may have the training of a lawyer, but your mentality is that of a uneducated dockworker.

with this verdict. You can call it what you want, but everyone has been sworn in under a new government which is not "the Interim Government". I believe the judges chose to call the new arrangment "caretaker" and they specifically stated that it should NOT consist of Frank or PM Qarase. I suggest you study your English as well as your Law.

Besides that if violates common sense and as I said, it is blatant conflict of interest.

But whatever, Jack, Frank is going to continue to rape Fiji as a nation, no bones about it. As the verdict says, that and everything he has done will be the subject of a new prosecution when a government returns to the People. Meanwhile, the Apes rule at their peril. Legal processes are definitely pointless now. The justice system has not only been compromised but obliterated. And Voreqe's hand picked judges will ensure that situation continues.

You may recall that Cakobau became a Christian and brought Fiji out of the dark ages. Frank no doubt started out in a Chistian family like 99% of all Fijians, but has clearly gone in the opposite direction. I don't see any "born again" scenario for him on the horizon, do you? I doubt God appreciates the competition from Fiji's own convicted "usurper".

It is up to the so-called "President" backed by the power of the gun. That does not make it legal.
As the court pointed out, all these actions can (and will) be the subject of future court proceedings. This particular case was not asked to rule on it. Obviously no court Voreqe appoints will be valid, so it will await the return of democracy and the rule of law, whether that means the recognition of the existing Constitution or a new one. The fact of the matter is that neither this President or he sworn in Govenment have any legitimacy by any law. They could have, had they followed the recommendations of the appeals court, but they did not, and in fact they flaunted their rejectoin of that court. No surprise, Voreqe cannot accept defeat, even when it is in black and white. As I pointed out to Aloha though, what goes down in the history books is that Voraqe is illegal and PM Qarase was legal. I think that was worth confirming. With the saking of the justice system, there is no way Voreqe can legally change that now, even if there was a minute chance before that he could have won on appeal.

As for the "discretion" of the President, he had the discretion to be legal or not, that is what the court gave him, and he chose an illegal path. He did what he or someone else wanted, but that does not make it legal. His discretion came from the muzzle of a gun, not from any law. The court just recognized that with guns in the picture they had limited control, and besides that was not what they were asked to rule on. What they ruled on was that the President acted illegally in 2007, as did Voreqe. They had no power to say anything is legal or not beyond that. It would be foolish to assume that because they had no power to rule or enforce in this one case that it somehow makes anything the IG does legal in the future. You are way off base in law and in common sense. Go back to school.

But if the elected PM was removed illegally, doesnt that mean the President acted illegally?

anything your feeble mind desires. Cook up whatever innuendo and lies you can dig out of the atmosphere.
The facts remain:
PM Qarase won the case. You may call it a "hollow victory" but it was a highly significant victory and gave PM Qarase everything he asked for.

Illegal pretender Voreqe could not get any goods on PM Qarase in 2.25 years of trying and in civilized societies there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. You are some kind of scum for continuing to throw mud at the man when you have not a shred of evidence other than heresay to substantiate what you are saying. Apparently that does not bother your flabby head.

I appreciate your view that might makes right. Hitler would have helped you prove it or perhaps the cannibal Cakobau. Too bad that it usually conflicts with human rights.

Yes I noticed that one demonstration of what you say is that PM Qarase rolled up his sleeves and helped out in his village to the extent they wanted to make him an honorary chief.

In contrast, I note that Voreqe does it for the TV cameras for the photo-ops. I understand that he is hated in his own village, so I don't know how much sleeve rolling he has done there.

Who are the trough feeders now? How much tax money has been spent by this unelected illegal government? How many houses has the Pig allocated himself? How many of his relatives have been sprung from prison after committing murder?

Not that I am an SDL supporter, but it seems to me SDL got the abrogation of the Constitution they desired, and the Puppet under Voreqe clearly takes responsibility?

Any idiot knows that the "doctrine of necessity" does not apply when there is no necessity. What necessity did you see? The "necessity" of thwarting Parliamentary procedure with respect to the Qoliqoli bill? If you were so afraid of it being debated, why? It must had some really strong points that you would worry it would be passed unamended. No one has ever pointed at any necessity for the 2006 coup, other than to save Voreqe's azz from the gallows since Hughes has the goods on him.

Who created a burden? It is the IG which has dragged the economy down for 2.25 years? It is the IG which has blatantly violated human rights. What are you trying to lay on Qarase, blame for defending the People of Fiji? You nutcase. Please be specific and talk some sense. Shall we blame Chaudhry?

GDev, I am responding at once to a few of your posts.
Could you please show the evidence of your 99.5%

The army is about 4000 which is about 0.5% of the Fiji population. This assumes that the entire army supports Frank which is doubtful.

Where are the guns, no one is being held at gun point, why do you keep saying that????? Everything is peaceful and it is business as usual.

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows the guns and intimidation are there. Every so often the goons make sure of it.
For laughs and giggles I did find some ex pats today and their evaluation was both sides are idiots.
Personally I think idiot is an over used term and carries no meaning or concept except to insult. But I can honestly say, both sides have done their share of mistakes in reaction to what the other side was doing and that is not an epiphany that I have gotten today, I have had thought that for a while. It is just that you sometimes you annoy me so much with your tunnel vision that I tend to present the other side.
You asked me how Qarase has harmed people. We talked about the violence and deaths that were the result from even the hint of the Qoliqoli Bill.

What violence and deaths resulted from the hint of the Q-bill? Are you speculating again, so stupid that you believe people like Evanson? Shows how little you know Fijians.

It was also not a document that was made readily available to the public, so there were quite a bit of misconceptions for Fijians.

All Parliamentary documents are public and available to the public. At you reminding us that Frank never let it get to Parliament for the People to decide?

Some of whom were putting frivolous caveats at everyones land with unscrupulous lawyers willing to take their fee and making them believe that they actually had a case. Not only were the caveats removed but in the process they ended up losing their land, and were hit with counter suits for damages. There were quite a lot of instances like that playing out through Fiji. In the past we have had several posts back and forth over the harm that was caused, so I don't think we need to cover that ground again.

Yes, there was no harm caused. We all know that. It was all speculative from various persons trying to destabilize the Parliamentary process that would have dealt with it, one way or the other, the point being that the People and their representatives would have decided, not Evanson or lowly Frank.

Qarase biggest and most singular mistake was not waiting for a more appropriate time to introduce those bills, this all could have been avoided, had he not had his own agenda.

PM Qarase was following Parliamentary proceedure. What are you trying to say?

His second biggest mistake was forcing the IG's hand to abrogate the constituition.

Yeah, sure. No one forced the IG's hand to abrogate the constituton. Read the verdict. It clearly provided a constitutional way out, even if Frank wanted to remain in power. Deciding to abrogate was an act of emotional outburst simply because Frank lost the case. His hand was not forced, you Idiot. Any fool can see that.

IF what you believed was true about the illegality of this IG then Qarase forcing the issue and the subsequent abrogation of the constitution, means he had no future legs to stand on to fulfill your desires of having FB executed and himself reinstalled.

PM Qarase was not looking for future legs to stand on except for the People of Fiji. People deserve a Nation. It has been taken from them, "usurped".

He closed that door.

Who closed what door for whom?

Human nature is for people to save their own skin, so unless they took Jack's solution the only other option was to abrogate the constituition.

So are we admitting here that Voreqe was simply trying to save his own skin and you are in agreement that this is why nations exist, to save the skins of rapists and usurpers? I agree with you.

So you have to ask who shot who in their foot, the ramifications on the bigger picture and did anyone gain anything from it? Was democracy aided?

Yes democracy was aided. The truth prevailed. Frank was determined to be illegitimate. The court system at that level worked, and Frank conceded by not appealing the decision.

Did it bring elections any closer?

Since the 2006 coup there has never been any evidence that there would be any elections under Frank's watch aside from his own inconsistent, self serving, dishonest claims to internationals in order to get what he wanted. There has never been any movemenet whatsoever towards an election. No, it did not bring elections any closer because you have an animal in charge who does not respect any authority, least of all the authority of the People. Election under Frank have never been anything but a remote dream and that situation still exists. So he has started with 2014, 5 years. It doesn't mean a thing except that there will be no election under Frank Bainimarama.

What was supposed to be in a year give or take is now 5 years away.

Are you stupid or what? Supposed to be a year? According to whom? Frank has been saying 10 years for a long time.

Did it help a single person in Fiji improve their life?

There is no chance of anyone but con artists and ass kissers improving their lives under this regime.

Who will be blamed for abrogating the constitution?

The President and FB. It is in writing for all to see, you Idiot!

You can't blame FB, he wasn't part of it,

My azz he wasn't part of it! And you don't exist, and neither did the Holocaust.

the President will take the blame in history and he already has the perfect excuse built into him from people like you that he is senile.

Who is manipulating the senile old man? Who else was he allowed to consult besides the convicted usurper?

Yet no one has proof of his senility, so one can't act on that legally. Everyone you wanted to see get hurt slipped under the net leaving the blame to either be placed on a "senile" President or Qarase for instigating it.

You are being laugable. What kind of society or civilized person blames citizens who pursue their rights and the rights of others in a court of law. That is what courts are for, you Fool! What do you think they are for, eating banana or entertaining kangaroos?

So LQ WAS the legal PM but according to the court ruling can not be reinstated as such.

So what? The important thing is that he was legal and Voreqe was not. Then notion of third party caretaker government was good. It is likely that SDL would win any election hands down and so it would only make about three months difference (the time to organize a snap election). That was where Frank was snookered. He knew that the People would reject him if given a chance so he took that chance away.

Yet 36 hours later FB was predictably reinstated as PM. These are just a few of the reasons I deem it a hallow victory.

That is what guns do for you. You can call it hollow because you cannot see beyond your next footstep. The fact of the matter is that for all time Frank will be a usurper and PM Qarase who was undisputably the elected PM, was removed illegally. Full stop. That is what goes down in history, and that is what is important for people who care about justice and law and order. Obliterating the Constitution or stacking it with FB supporters is not going to change that. The system of justice in Fiji is gone. Finito! (as long as Frank is there).

Qarase does not have the ability to play his hand close to his chest, or know when to hold them and when to fold them.

Are you saying he should have kow towed to Frank instead of pursuing this through the courts? Let us not forget that Frank is an illegal usurper and lowly Popeye (the sailor man) only there because he has misused the army. What would it look like if the Leader of Fiji kow tows to a criminal? Rather like Chamberlain kow towing to Hitler. Anyone knows that kowtowing to terrorists does not work. Honesty obviously means squat to Frank, so there is no point in talking to him.

FB and Company are much better at it,

Better at what - lying, threatening, using guns?

as well as holding the position of power.

That is quite easy when you have everyone by the balls with your guns.

IN common sense lawyer terms I can spend a million dollars to prove I am right, when I knew that all along except now I am out a million dollars and I am still right.

PM Qarase proved to the WORLD that he was right. Of course he and most people with a brain new that already, but it is sometimes good to get things on record for all to see.

I think the price tag on Qarase's move was too high for the people to pay.

The People did not pay. Contributions from Australia and PM Qarase's own funds paid. This is in contrast to the theft of taxpayer money by Frank and Co.

I don't think one has to be even slightly educated to know that given the circumstances one of the options was to abrogate the constituition.

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that. In fact, for all the respect Frank has ever given the Constitution, he should have started out with that in December 2006. But he was too conniving and deceitful and cowardly. He thought he could pull the wool over everyones eyes as if they were 3 year olds like himself.

Both sides of the lawyers would have also known that. So before you go into a fight you have to realize what you will potentially loseby your actions and weigh out the risks. So IMHO Qarase and his lawyers anteed up the constitution.

So did the World when they went to war against Hitler. So did Lincoln when he went to war over slavery.

Where FB and Co made their mistake was not abrogating it immediately on the heels or on the day of Dec 6 2006. Then the international community could have been in such an uproar they wouldn't know where to begin their outcries of righteous indignation. I understand why they didn't do it then, but hindsight is 20/20.

Might as well. It would have saved a lot of time and false hopes.

There is no doubt about it, this is a giant step backwards for Fiji.

Nothing much has changed, except as Graham has said, this is more intellectually honest. If you are going to obliterate a nation, at least have the balls to do it openly. In contrast, the Coward Frank only did it after trying every other possible way to scam the People of Fiji.

Personally I still wish we did Jacks 15 minutes of a PM. No one likes the sound of a "military dictatorship" when you could have a democracy. Now all the internationals are inflamed again and we all start from square one AGAIN.

That right, except there would never have been a democracy under Frank anyway. He does not understand the concept. But now everyone knows that Frank cannot be trusted in any way whatsoever. Besides being a convicted "usurper", he has shown everyone over the past three years that his word is not worth shyt.

But there you have it, the dye is cast and there is no going back and the long suffering people of Fiji will just have to try and not wear out their patience and get use to the bush food diet again.

You may be surprised. People survive in various ways. There are alternatives to the bush food diet, but People will have to learn to fight for it. PM Qarase did all he could within the law in Fiji, and must be commended for his efforts and congratulated for his win, but it is not over, far from it. There are international courts, public opinion, blogs, neighboring nations, etc etc. It is wide open.

Let us just say it is the lull before the storm as everyone decides what to do next. I will tell you one thing, though, the economy will continue to dive bomb and you won't get much done down at the government buildings. People work when they are inspired. There is no inspiration in this.

Compare it to the euphoria and praising of God (albeit at home out of sight of the military animals) which existed the night the court decided against Voreqe. I think many of us knew, however, that it was too early to celebrate, even though Franks lies about going back to the camp for 5 years gave a fleeting glimmer of hope. Sometime you believe even a pathological liar when it give you hope, but at the same time you are cautious. Frank's betrayal came as no surprise to anyone. In fact we would have been surprised if he did NOT stab the Nation in the back again.