The Methodist Church proves it is just a political party
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08/12/0804:18:45
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As I have said from the beginning. Time for the I.G. to step in and strip them of any tax-free, church status that they enjoy, and time to label them as what
they truly are, a political party, the MPP, aligned with the SDL, no longer a church. They long ago diverted from the teachings of Jesus and into the teachings
of "nationalist, racist agenda" for Fiji. They will still have their "day of reckoning" before the lord. Shame.
SDL to use church meet to counter Charter
12/08/2008
Fiji's former ruling political party will use the annual Methodist Church conference in Suva where thousands will converge, to counter
the proposed draft People's Charter.
The Methodist Church conference is the biggest annual church event and it is one of the largest denominations in Fiji.
SDL party president and former minister Solomoni Naivalu confirmed they will use the Methodist conference to influence people not to support the
charter.
The decision came about after a special management board meeting in Suva today.
"We have worked out a strategy with the Methodist Church and it has been agreed that we use the annual conference to preach our stance
against the charter."
He said this is the only time the party can relay its message to church members as it does not have the resources to go out to each and every
village.
The SDL party and the Methodist Church have publicly opposed the charter saying it's 'anti-Fijian'.
"There are certain clauses in the charter that we find is against our principles- the indigenous principles and we are totally against
this."
Naivalu said the party will be using all talatala's (preachers) and qase ni lotu (lay preachers) to preach about the charter to the people.
"We will also distribute special forms for people to fill out so we will be sure where members of the church stand."
"It's a fact that majority of the SDL party are members of the Methodist Church and we share similar views on the charter."
Naivalu accused the interim Government for using the charter as an "imposition to find justification for the 2006 coup".
He also claims that the support for the SDL party has grown stronger since the party was ousted in 2006.
and the fight against the ethno nationalists of the Indian diaspora, Chaudhry and Samy. Churches do get involved in political activism (Nepal an example,
Unitarians in the US another) when you have criminal elements persecuting the People of a certain faith.
If the army decides to to take them on, it should be interesting, as there are far more Methodists than Army, and most of the army are probably Methodist as
well. It is good that the church can play an active role where Christians or any people are being persecuted. Perhaps the Indo-Sub-Asian churches can promote
the same cause as well and all can stand up against the evil of the regime in a Tienamen Square type protest.
The Regime is clearly out to wipe an entire race off the face of the earth, so what problem do you have with this race defending themselves? They are God's
People too. We don't believe in your Caste System which only allows some People to eat other Peoples faeces, a rather strange Indo human right and
delicacy.
this problem with the politicisation of the Methodist Church should be dealt with - otherwise it will be the cause of more instability in the future.
there has to be politivcal will to do this thing - once and for all.
the best way to do that is to have Churches licenced - beyond the Religious Bodies legislation there should be a licensing authority set up to issue licences
to Churches - like they do in China and Singapore and Malaysia. all Churches and religions must be licensed be they Chatholic, Methodist, Mulsim, Hindu or
whatever - and the conditions of the licences must be clear (a) the churches must not engage in overt or covert politics (b) the Churches must stick to
preaching the message of Christ (in the case of Christian churches) and in social and educational and economic programs designed to uplift the people (c) the
Church must not associate itself or been identified with a political party.
These simple rules should be strictly enforced - if a Church does not obey the rules, then its licence should be revoked, its properties sequestered (seized)
by the State and its leadership fined and/or imprisoned for failing to observe the conditions of the licence.
Christ taught about freedom of worship - and that right should not be removed - Churches are free to worhip and fellowship - but they must not engage in
politics - the moment they engage in politics they should be dealt with by law - severely.
the Constitution should guarantee the right of worship - and the State religion should be Christianty - but beyond that every religion should be free to
practice its beliefs, Muslims, Hindu's, Budhists, Bahai's, Christians in peace and harmony.
thats the only way foward - there is no choice but to licence the Churches - they have been left for too long and they have become political entities in
themselves, hiding agenda's which are not good for the longterm well being of the country.
we now have the ridiculous situation of the interim Pm having to ask Archnishop Mataca to get involved in a political forum (NCBBF) and Rt Epeli Ganilau having
to ask the Methodist Church to listen to the explanations about the NCBBF Charter - this is wrong. the government is not answerable to any Church, be it the
Methodist Church or the Catholic Church or the Arya Samaj or the Amadiya's or the Muslims - the Government should be only answerable in the court of public
opinion in whats best for the country going forward - and the leaders of the Church must not be involved in any political process - if the want to get involved
then they should stp outside the Church like Rev Paisly did in Northern Ireland - and how the IRA MsGuinness did when they moved out of the Provisional IRA to
join Sinn Fein in a purely political capacity.
we can't have the Church (and any other relion for that matter) mixed up in the politics of this country - its unhealthy and it must be stopped.
Attaturk did it in Turkey - and the millitary ensured that the Turkish state remained secular - and the Turkish millitary still ensures that seculiarity today
- in every spehere of Turkish governance - Turkey is probably the only properous and free "Islamic" country in that very unstable Islamic region of
the world (Syria, Jordon, Iran, Iraq) - Attaturk did it because he understood the underpinnings of Turkish society - the fragile marriage of politics and
religion, he understood to be a recipe for ongoing instability.
Turkey is an economic powerhouse in the Medditeranean today because of his foresight.
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But besides that, the Methodist church has done what you ask, they have refused to be involved in the manifesto (Charter) of the FLP and the Regime.
What was Peter Wise doing trying to spread that political propaganda at the Methodist church (copies of the Charter).
Any regime which interferes with any church in Fiji is dead.
The church has far more business getting involved in politics than the army does, especially when the army does, because then it becomes a human rights issue.
You live in a country where Church and State is separate. As for your Human Rights activity now for backup, I am pretty sure there are 15" plus poles
where you could sit on/In/ and exprieence NIRVANA.
"The Church" and it's Padres' should suck on a lemon and give it up. Go read up on real Bible.
imposing its manifesto and party members with guns. Has anyone issued them a licence to do this? Does psychotic Voreqe think he is Jesus Christ? Have the
Ethno-nationalist racists Samy and Chaudhry sold Jesus down the river?
It is time to try these People for the crimes they have committed and get on with Nation - building which respects all cultures, languages, and support
insitutions.